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Vegas Man crashes Two Planes at Same Airport in the Same Year

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Norman B. Ivans might want to think twice before he tries to land another airplane at the North Las Vegas Airport during the first week of January - if the Federal Aviation Administration lets him fly at all. Why? He crashed two of the same model of aircraft at the airport, exactly 363 days apart. (www.lvrj.com) Mer...

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WALLACE24
WALLACE24 10
Sorry to pollute your personal forum. The post was put in here because it is very unusual for someone to wreck 2 airplanes of the same model, at the same airport, landing, in less than a year. Nothing technical about it (yet). I might add that some of the Flightaware people make spurious comments from time to time too. Maybe you should bust their balls.
linbb
linbb 0
Yours was not the issue and if one reads the guy was an accident waiting to happen again it looks like. Some of the other comments that are made I stand behind. Yours again is fine they are an AC that requires one flys it by the book or this is what happens.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 5
You are probably right sir, about the Aerostar being more plane than his skills will handle. My point is that this is a forum, not a club. I read plenty I may disagree with or not like, but I'm not so snobbish as to suggest the writer be banished.
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 0
Although interesting, relevant, and completely squawk-worthy, an incident at the same airport is not entirely unbelievable since North Las Vegas could have been his home base and therefore more than half of his flights could very well have that as a destination. And being the same model is also not really so strange since pilots tend to keep flying models that they are already familiar with.

I'm sure there are statistics to support the existence of people that crash their Honda Civic within a mile of their home (1 in 3 car accidents are that close), get a similar replacement for their beloved Honda Civic, and then are unlucky enough to get in another accident similarly close to home soon after.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 3
The license to drive and the license to fly are two different animals. I'll bet most pilots never prong a plane and I have never personally known any to do it twice in a year. I know plenty of people who wreck a car every year. Just my sense that consistent repeat offenders in either category probably have an issue. Lol
00240904
mitch kaplan 4
Time to buy a boat
raybroadbent
Ray Broadbent 2
Oddly enough a gentleman in El Dorado Arkansas crashed two Aerostars in one year in el Dorado. Both were aborted takeoff attempts as I recall. Aerostars need about 2000 feet of runway before they rotate...makes any takeoff on a short field problematic.
pete480
pete480 2
Switch to a Skyhawk. Seems the Aerostar is too much airplane for you.
jsulk
Joe Sulkowski 1
I don't he needs to be flying anymore. Looks like he has problems landing.
devsfan
ken young 1
Fly? YES! Land? NO!
clabo
Well, yeah, most accidents happen within a mile of home.

I moved.
devsfan
ken young 1
almost a million in junk metal.. Umm, I think it's time to turn in the credentials.
walterkahn
walter kahn 1
It is a shame he wrecked 2 beautiful Aerostars!
captoscar58
captoscar58 1
Aerostar a very quick plane very tricky to fly
how your how your stall speeds lead to higher approach speeds but they sure were fast!
captoscar58
captoscar58 1
on th on the Aerostar higher approac approach speeds higher stal fas fast plane
artpersky
artpersky 1
SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST GOOD!!!
artpersky
artpersky 1
sonme people are just good!!!
Orville1000
Orville1000 1
The passenger's, Gary A. Marsh, Prof. of Aviation Technology at Andrews University in Michigan, most recent available C.V. (2010) says only ASEL FAA-certified flight instructor.

That's my only point in reply to various media accounts mentioning "flight instructor."
domusn88
Dominic Panza 1
I think it's time to put the aerostar in the hangar and get something a little less touchy. Maybe a baron or something? If you have the money to get an aerostar and crash it twice, then maybe you can afford a simulator for practice. I know sometimes we all do dumb stuff in an airplane and if you are lucky you survive it and get a chance to learn from it. Twice in the same year, same plane, same airport. Something has to change.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Pretty soon there will be no more Aerostars.
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie -6
Good, I don't like them anyway.
chicoaggie
Tim Smith 3
What's wrong with them? Looks fun to fly to me.
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 0
Oh, I'm sure they fly great. I just think they're kinda ugly.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 2
Mr.Ivans is your man then.
floatplaneS7
floatplaneS7 1
I'll be waiting this time next year for another article :-)
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 0
It would appear that Peter F. Hartman, Esq. is recommending censorship. Personally, I don't care a whit if you are or are not clear on how the "REAL aviation community, or this form of communication, benefits from the spurious comments of people who clearly are not pilots - simply "wanna-be's" who feel a need to intrude with silly comments into a technical area beyond their comprehension." This is a forum, a place where people are free to state their ideas, their opinions, and their knowledge concerning various issues. Stop being such a snob, Mr. Hartman, Esq. It's people like you who give lawyers a bad rep.
pully6
pully6 1
Hahaha, thanks Donna & Boyd for calling PFH man out. I've scarcely ever had as much fun and laughs reading a comment thread on any forum. Thanks for the lols!

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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I'll make this brief. It is your reading comprehension that is lacking Mr. HartmanN. I said no such thing - I was quoting (as the quotation marks indicate) your comments. I'm afraid your ego is far larger than your good manners or your ability to talk to people rather than down to people. Respond or don't - I'm finished with you.

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BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 1
I just want to point out that only one of your comments doesn't have negative votes. Maybe this is a good indication that people on this site like it the way it is. As I said before, if you don't like it, you don't have to look at our comments.

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devsfan
ken young 1
Dude, the only thing REAL about you is that you are a boil on the posterior of this message board.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Having an interest in aviation no more means one wants to be a pilot than having an interest in fish means one wants to go fishing. Your petty, egomaniacal arguments make no sense and have no place in here. Shoo! Scat!

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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
I'd dearly love to know where you obtained your crystal ball. You know, the one which allows you to know the ages of people, and the one which allows you to know what people actually "wannabe" in life. And, oh by the way, oooops, you've made that monumental mistake of a misspelled word yet again, oh my, your face must be red! Oh yes, another "by the way" Carnac the Magnificent, I've had a life-long career in aerospace, am properly retired, happily married to a man who adores me and whom I adore, and together we have three lovely grown children and five grandchildren. My "attitude" as you so glibly call it only rears itself when I have the misfortune to stumble across someone like you who insists on displaying grossly poor manners and who resorts to calling people names like a small schoolboy or girl. Your arrogance may work in some places (although I doubt it) but it certainly doesn't work here. Amen and good bye.
devsfan
ken young 1
Who stated or even implied that flightaware's forum is an " aviator's technical forum for aviators?
You show us where the website's mission statement states that..
Ya know "Esquare"...(Yes spelling is incorrect to point out my now utter disdain for your pompous arrogance) I believe you are a nobody who discovered this forum and decided to make some posts to see how much of a rise you could get out of people.
Until you entered the forum ,this was a peaceful place where people of all levels of interest and expertise in the field of aviation came to exchange ideas and conversation.
YOU have made this place somewhat less of what it was.
If you think I am wrong, then why is it your posts are getting "ejected" on a frequent basis?
And now you will reply with another one of your smug pseudo sophisticated replies while trying to appear as though you are "above the fray"..Don't bother. I have your number.

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BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 2
Thank you for your good wishes. I don't agree with his or your sarcasm in addressing the other. I don't believe that is an example of professionalism or good manners.
devsfan
ken young 1
Still waiting on the clarification I requested.
You know, technical forum for aviators and all that good stuff.
BTW, "HAZARD: is the correct spelling.
An IFR rating requires a high awareness of detail and skill...Know what I mean?
Lastly, who is "We"?...

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devsfan
ken young 1
Ok..This is my final response to you. First, you are arguing just to argue.
Now, a little common sense to take along with you on your journey.
If this site was a venue dedicated to those only in the aviation business, whether it be flight crew, maintenance, ATC or other aviation specific occupation, the terms and conditions of use for this site would state that very clearly.
Such statements in the terms of use are ABSENT.
Therefore, your little power play here is all in your mind.
I and many other not directly tied to the aviation business will continue to post here as long as we like and as long as the site administrators allow it.
If you feel it necessary to find a site( such as the AOPA site) to mingle with "aviators only", please do so..Immediately if not sooner.
Quite frankly, I have never seen such arrogance by an individual in a public forum.
Until such time as the administrators of this site switch it to a "private" site, your attempts to run off other with whom you feel uncomfortable and may even feel are beneath your station are futile.
Oh, learn how to spell and use proper sentence construction. How one writes is an open window to their level of education and intelligence.
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 1
So your comment WAS directed toward me. I had a sinking feeling it was. I do not WISH I could fly an airplane. I have my SPL, and am planning on getting my PPL this year.

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BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 1
I, in fact, did not comment at all on the technical capabilities/hindrances of this aircraft; I only pointed out that I did not like the appearance of the airplane in reply to someone's comment. Don't worry, I don't plan on getting signed off in an Aerostar, unless I have to. Believe me, I enjoy the continuity of learning in aviation, and know that "a good pilot is always learning." I apologize for the fact that I misrepresented the fact that I have a student pilot CERTIFICATE. Don't fret I own a copy of the 2013 FAR/AIM.

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BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 1
Thank you. Yes, I had trouble with bouncing too :).
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Great! Now maybe you can learn about spellcheck. Perhaps in your post to Boyd you can give a gander to how you spelled "nonsense" ... even the great Hartmann Esq. can make a spelling error. Aren't you ashamed of yourself. I'm impressed with myself how much pro bono time you've invested in me, someone who is so irrelevant to your world. Gawd you're a clown.
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 1
Also, I would hardly consider insulting someone about their intellect an example of "good manners."

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sparkie624
sparkie624 6
I see your point... But what is considered legitimate flight crew... Is that someone who flies the planes... Personally I feel that I have contributed another view to things that a flight crew may not perceive. Working Maintenance Control, I see a lot of different things, and from well over 20 years of airline service has given me many years of experience. By your statement, I could not be here by the new ruling.
JD345
JD345 8
How's the weather up in your ivory tower?
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 3
By "legitimate flight crew" you must be referring to the Airline Transport rated pilots with thousands of hours of flight time under their belts and are led off a plane in handcuffs for being drunk before their flight.Or the pilots that have an emotional "meltdown" in the cockpit risking passengers lives. Or maybe it's the pilot who just murdered his passenger after flying his KA into a mountain in Montana, at night, in IFR conditions, while possessing only a Student Pilot Certificate. Is this the "legitimate flight crew" you are referring to sir? I am a member here and your post is moronic. I read the NTSB reports daily and it's very apparent there are a lot of "legitimate flight crews" who have no business being in a cockpit.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
LOL, I agree with you. Working Maintenance Control, I have on more than one instance had a crew to call in with a problem, and I am like, what is the problem. They explain it, tell them how to do it, and they they say something similar to.. "Oh that is how it works" and these people are carrying passengers.
devsfan
ken young 2
Oh so suddenly aviation enthusiasts and other interested parties are not permitted in your perceived "little elitist club"..
Hey pal, you know what you can do with your exclusionary attitude.
Think "where the sun don't shine"..
Take that!
I am not a pilot but I can give most regular people a run for their money in general aviation knowledge.

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devsfan
ken young 2
First off you pompous arrogant pr!ck, I made NO comment beyond my rudimentary knowledge of aviation.
Second, this is a public forum, not your little exclusive country club.
If you want that type of stimulation( here's your astroglide) I suggest you stick with the AOPA forums..That is if you can stoop to their level.
I have no resentment of aviation. What in Sam Hill are you babbling about?
Oh yeah. I know REAL aviation. And unlike you, I am not averse to asking those with more knowledge than I, as many questions as it takes to learn. You sir, proclaim to know it all. You are the omnipotent one. I get it.
Look pal, if the comments on this forum are so repulsive to you, please,your insignificant presence is required "elsewhere".

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devsfan
ken young 1
And in other news. The guy crashed two planes in one year.
From a risk stand point, insurers beware..
Got it?
mikejulietbravo
Mike Braum 1
Such snobbery. Anyone would think you were the CEO of a real airline, or something!
devsfan
ken young 1
The operators of this forum may very well activate the "pompous poster alert".
linbb
linbb -9
Yes as it is like a kids show of comments much like the ones you see on YOUTUBE about the vidios posted about AC there. Also the double and tripple posts make it hard to get thru to the new ones.
linbb
linbb -9
Also dont worry about the thumbs down on your post either as guess who is doing it just look above and consider who they are.

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BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 6
And your post is not emotional? I do not mean to be impolite, I'm just pointing out the fact that all of us experience emotions. They are occasionally reflected in comments that we make. If you do not like this forum, then you don't have to look at comments posted here. All due respect to your expertise as a pilot. I will admit I don't have near as much experience as you or others, but I and many others on this site are not "wannabes."
devsfan
ken young 2
Oh the arrogance..
Yassah Massah....I's will never have nuthin to say outta turn agin, Sahhhh..

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